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Poster: Scrim Date: Sep 29, 2011 12:24pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: What's the big deal with Dark Star?

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Poster: William Tell Date: May 9, 2007 12:38pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: What's the big deal with Dark Star?

I can relate, Scrim. That was defn my take on it in the 70s, esp when seeing them live, and then through the 80s and 90s when I listened primarily to the straightforward songs rather than the DS meanders.

It really was 9-19-70 that changed me; over the past 18 months I have developed a huge and undying appreciation for the tune. Just me--this is in no way a put down akin to 'now I get it and you just haven't gotten it yet' but rather a simple observation of my own evolution. My sons defn hear the repetition in many of the late 68 versions (esp the keyboard contributions early on) and see it as a very limited song. But 69 and 70 changed everything...

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Poster: apr250rs Date: Oct 1, 2011 3:25pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: What's the big deal with Dark Star?

I'm a 69 fan. The year too. The DS's then were in your face. Jerry and the boys pushed on you. You couldn't just float along. After Altamont, I think the DS's softened a bit.

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: May 9, 2007 12:26pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: What's the big deal with Dark Star?

'but it certainly doesn't go well with conversation as we are sitting around the table'

You mean you're putting it on as background for your dinner party tittle tattle, you cloth-eared philistine? No wonder you don't get it...

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Poster: cush11 Date: May 9, 2007 12:34pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: What's the big deal with Dark Star?

I love Dark Star "as background for your dinner party tittle tattle"... Get's rid of unwanted guests quickly and leaves more food & beverage for me...

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Poster: wineland Date: May 9, 2007 12:35pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: What's the big deal with Dark Star?

In college we had a tape we would play during parties called 45 minutes of Low Rider. After 15 or 20 minutes you'd hear people start saying, haven't we heard this song before?

It was good for a few laughs.

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Poster: Scrim Date: Sep 29, 2011 12:25pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: What's the big deal with Dark Star?

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Poster: rockinrob Date: May 9, 2007 1:45pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: What's the big deal with Dark Star?

So Scrim - what's for dinner? Can you set a place for me if I bring the beer?

I've been listening to the Dead for almost 30 years and I don't really get into the wandering Darkstar jams myself, to each his own I guess.

From reading a lot of posts here, it seem there are 2 major catagories (of posters anyway) those who like earlier dead from '69 - '79 and there are those who like later dead like from '77 - mid 80's / early 90's. I guess I fall into the later category 'cause that's when I got into the band and that's when I saw some shows (unfortunately only about 10 or so). I have been having a ball listening to shows since I found this site about 3 months ago.

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: May 9, 2007 12:43pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: What's the big deal with Dark Star?

Damn it, Scrim - I can pick up a gauntlet with the best of them. I'm no bad cook myself and my love of fine and not-so-fine drinking is a matter of record. Ronald Mac has not seen a penny of my money in more years than I can count. Howevah! I would not expect my guests to choke down their fine victuals to the accompaniment of Jerry and the boys putting the total bejeezus up them with some choice psycho-delic meanderings. The Dead are to be listened to - not played politely in the background. My take - but you don't have to.

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Poster: Scrim Date: Sep 29, 2011 12:26pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: What's the big deal with Dark Star?

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Poster: rockinrob Date: May 9, 2007 1:27pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: What's the big deal with Dark Star?

So Scrim - what's for dinner? Can you set a place for me if I bring the beer? You're making me really hungry...

I've bee into the Dead for well over 20 years and I'm kinda with you I really don't get into the wandering Darkstar jams either, to each his own I guess.

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Poster: Scrim Date: Sep 29, 2011 12:26pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: What's the big deal with Dark Star?

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Poster: Flakey Foont Date: May 12, 2007 9:03am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: What's the big deal with Dark Star?

The feedback/space/bug music was weird at any GD show, some refer to this as "this is when the girls go to the bathroom"

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Poster: AshesRising Date: May 9, 2007 9:28pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: What's the big deal with Dark Star?

Scrim:
Upon reading your post my first reaction is that your honesty is admirable. Using one of the GD's, signature tunes to express your sentiments and inquire about the opinion of others in this Forum has the potential of causing some intense emotional feedback.....sort of like the song itself (for some, not all..)
"Pouring its Light into Ashes" provides a good clue about how I feel about the tune, however I cannot possibly put it into words. I'll let the performance from Nov. 11, 1973 speak for me (just FYI: no feedback in that one). ---- AshesRising

For whatever it is or is not worth:

Following is from "The Complete Annotated Grateful Dead Lyrics," (David Dodd @2005-2007; pg. 52)

In "Garcia," Charles Reich questions Garcia about "Dark Star:"

Reich: Well, then, if we wanted to talk about "Dark Star," uh, could you say anything about where it comes from?

Jerry: ...."Dark Star" has meant, while I'm playing it, almost as many things as I can sit here and imagine, so all I can do is talk about "Dark Star" as a playing experience.

Reich: Well, yeah, talk about it a little.

Jerry: I can't. It talks about itself.
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Poster: mcglone Date: May 12, 2007 3:30pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: What's the big deal with Dark Star?

you knew the band was angling for the 'X'. sometimes they'd come back and the stringer was full, sometimes they got skunked. like the bumper stickers says, i'd rather be fishing!

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Poster: BryanE Date: May 9, 2007 1:26pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: What's the big deal with Dark Star?

It was all about music.

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Poster: midnight sun Date: May 9, 2007 1:34pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: What's the big deal with Dark Star?

"We would all like to be able to live an uncluttered life...a simple life, a good life...and, like, think about moving the whole human race ahead a step. or a few steps."
Jerry Garcia

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Poster: Sui3lime4209 Date: May 9, 2007 1:43pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: What's the big deal with Dark Star?

dark star is a dead work of art, even though they didint write half the lyrics for it!!

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Poster: amosearle Date: May 9, 2007 1:26pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: What's the big deal with Dark Star?

Ok, I'm going to take the bait on this one. I like the liqorice analogy for "whether" Dark Star, but there has also been the "when" of Dark Star listening laid out for consideration. I myself annoy the missus as little as possible on purpose, so I keep most of my Dark Stars to myself. I'm one for putting it on the headphones when working late from home to be in a better place at work the next day. Not only do I have the tune in my head but less pressure as I happily go about my business next time I'm at work. I'm less likely to hear it all the way through in a group- there's always some passage too awkward for someone in the group to tolerate enjoyably, and I have long ago given up trying to proselytize for the Dead.
" Dark Star, there are no substitutes"

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Poster: El Senor Limpio Date: May 9, 2007 9:03pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: What's the big deal with Dark Star?

The big deal with Dark Star is that it's crashing.

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Poster: cush11 Date: May 9, 2007 12:19pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: What's the big deal with Dark Star?

It's kind of like licorice I guess...

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Poster: wineland Date: May 9, 2007 12:21pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: What's the big deal with Dark Star?

Red or Black?

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Poster: cush11 Date: May 9, 2007 12:25pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: What's the big deal with Dark Star?

Yes...

;)

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Poster: wineland Date: May 9, 2007 12:39pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: What's the big deal with Dark Star?

11.11.73 is my favorite Dark Star. I'd say it's flavor was black. Deep, inward, and full or turmoil.

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Poster: Fishead Date: May 9, 2007 8:00pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: What's the big deal with Dark Star?

it's a song that helps you explore your inner being ..

otherwords ...acid really helps!!! :)~

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Poster: fireeagle Date: May 9, 2007 1:36pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: What's the big deal with Dark Star?

Can´t believe my eyes :...˝i usually get bored of the feedback jams in the middle, the spacey meanderings, the dark star...˝

are you being serious? if so you might need to seek professional help. like scan your head, go see a shrink

the colour is deep space black

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Poster: midnight sun Date: May 9, 2007 1:59pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: What's the big deal with Dark Star?

he is just slightly more normal than the rest of us, if there ever was such a thing

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Poster: SomeDarkHollow Date: Sep 29, 2011 1:33pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Nada

Nothing like a useless 4 year old thread to liven things up.

Nothing.

I think I'll troll some of my old masterpieces, like "Favorite Donna Screech", and bump those up. The classics never die.

Never.

Or perhaps I'll encourage some of my cohorts to do the same. Take Rob for example. Nobody can hold a candle to his timeless effluvium.

Nobody.

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Poster: jgIynn1.2 Date: Sep 29, 2011 1:08pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Nada


Thread bump virus

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Poster: William Tell Date: Sep 29, 2011 3:58pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Nada

Who was "scrim" anyhoo? Seems to have been a regular way back when, but not for a long time...bizarre. How about I bump a roll call? Or, role call?

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Poster: mcglone Date: Sep 29, 2011 4:54pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Nada

role call, eh... after all these many years i'm still here.

ian

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Sep 29, 2011 8:08pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Nada

Is that really you?
Are you able to participate in role call b/c you were not beaten into a bloody pulp? Press creds? Friends on the force? With all that armor on the po-lice it had to be a bit dicey any way you cut it. NYC or Seattle? (Toronto?)

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Poster: mcglone Date: Sep 30, 2011 6:40am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Nada

good call.. toronto, g20 summit. pre-game warm ups. i didn't spend too much time worrying about composing that photo, just placed the tripod down nonchalantly and waited 10 very long seconds. my daughter wasn't even 3 months old at the time so when i posted that image on facebook and my wife caught a peek that's when the real beat down came ; )

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Poster: William Tell Date: Sep 30, 2011 8:02am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Nada

Ha--I'll bet! Yes, wives can be more protective than an entire riot squad!

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Sep 30, 2011 7:25am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Nada

Oh, I'm quite sure about the last event.

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Poster: RBNW....new and improved! Date: Sep 30, 2011 5:41am
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good luck!!!!

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Poster: craven714 Date: Sep 30, 2011 7:32am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Nada

Your camel toe is showin...





JOKE!

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Poster: ghostofpig Date: May 9, 2007 12:28pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Confession of the Pig

I have to admit that Dark Star can go either way. The early ones tended to have certain themes that would resurface and offer familiar spaces for the band to jump from. The later ones--well, even some in 1972--seem to have moments of greatness and moments where the band is really trying to find a groove. Yes, the "space" gets intense on many of them, but it is just as easy to get lost trying to be found.

Sometimes a Dark Star isn't even really a Dark Star. After all, DS is a theme, a pair of verses that were originally two minutes long. Question: If the verses aren't sung, is it really Dark Star? Or did they sometimes play the theme just to please the crowd?

But, then again, there are all those Dark Stars from 1969 to think about.